tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post3118932109523309064..comments2023-04-21T20:42:10.403-07:00Comments on Whispers of Mystery: The Law of Libertykarinahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-61630750243335744772014-01-27T21:51:56.335-08:002014-01-27T21:51:56.335-08:00Dave M says:
August 19, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Paradoxes...Dave M says:<br />August 19, 2013 at 4:43 pm<br /><br />Paradoxes, .. like how you have must lose your life in order to gain eternal life; lettong go if your self in order to truly live in that communal state with all others, it’s interesting how paradoxes work.<br />karinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-30710888716313355732014-01-27T21:51:30.505-08:002014-01-27T21:51:30.505-08:00lauren says:
August 19, 2013 at 9:30 am
thanks Ka...lauren says:<br />August 19, 2013 at 9:30 am<br /><br />thanks Karina,<br /><br />“blessed are the solitary” as “these will find the kingdom.”<br />and the kingdom is communion with all living things!<br />the paradoxes start to pile up <br /><br />Love smiles contentedly.karinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-70963960660489075852014-01-27T21:50:45.066-08:002014-01-27T21:50:45.066-08:00Karina says:
August 19, 2013 at 9:13 am
Very inte...Karina says:<br />August 19, 2013 at 9:13 am<br /><br />Very interesting, Lauren.<br /><br />I guess I can’t stop returning to the Gospel of Thomas. There, saying 49 says, “Blessed are the solitary,” as these “will find the kingdom.” When we come to this world, we enter into what many mystics call the “illusion of separation.” Ironically, to “dissolve old foundations,” as you say, or to “debrainwash,” as I say, of our illusion of separation, we have to somehow separate ourselves! Nice quote: “Society is the cave; the way out is solitude.” Yes, a paradox. Thanks!karinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-81371749178081090232014-01-27T21:50:06.172-08:002014-01-27T21:50:06.172-08:00lauren says:
August 19, 2013 at 7:48 am
Hi everyb...lauren says:<br />August 19, 2013 at 7:48 am<br /><br />Hi everybody, I’m just returning to ChristianMystics after some time away, a recent move to Norway, and much dissolving of<br />old foundations. I’ve missed *Christian mystic* talk — have been doing most of my sharing on a nondual philosophy list.<br />Anyway, just want to say I find the question of the relationship between independence and interconnectedness very interesting.<br />I find this condundrum everywhere laced throughout the writings of Simone Weil, one of my favorite philosophers.<br />She says that in the “cave” (dualistic mind / world) there can be no relation; relation is anathema to a state based<br />on separation, fragmentation. In the same essay she says, conversely, “To relate belongs to the solitary spirit.” (essay<br />on The Great Beast.) Interesting, eh? She also clearly differentiates “relationship” from “the social.” “Relationship<br />breaks out of the social. It is the monopoly of the individual. Society is the cave; the way out is solitude.” Beautiful paradox!<br />~~~ lauriekarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-19597595251163243412014-01-27T21:49:11.796-08:002014-01-27T21:49:11.796-08:00Karina says:
August 18, 2013 at 9:56 pm
I’m also ...Karina says:<br />August 18, 2013 at 9:56 pm<br /><br />I’m also enjoying all the insightful replies here, Chuck, and most certainly yours. Once relationship comes into play, so much more is at stake. My daughter my have been inspired less by competition than by phileo love to keep up with her brother — just to be with him. How much happier would she have been had he returned it with either phileo or agape love! But then, she still a child and he now a “tween” (a term he hates), some of these conflicting aspects become magnified. While he’s exploring more of the independence/liberty angle in life, she’s maintaining her “childlike and instinctive knowledge of interconnectedness.” Still, no matter how young or old we are, we all carry all of these aspects within us, and, yes, harmonizing them remains quite a challenge.<br /><br />Thanks again,<br />Karinakarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-34628639069112644332014-01-27T21:48:25.376-08:002014-01-27T21:48:25.376-08:00Chuck Dunning says:
August 18, 2013 at 9:12 am
Be...Chuck Dunning says:<br />August 18, 2013 at 9:12 am<br /><br />Beautiful post, Karina, as always! I always love your ability to connect the abstract with everyday life. Also, a very insightful conversation on the heels of it!<br /><br />One of the things I find very interesting here is the relationship between independence and interconnectedness, liberty and responsibility. They’re aspects of the duality-unity discussion, aren’t they? I think it is our childlike and instinctive knowledge of interconnectedness, as well as our deep desire to more fully realize that togetherness, that makes us so sensitive to the thoughts and feelings of others, to internalizing everything from them, whether it is healthy or not. And yet we cannot deny an equally inherent sense of self as distinct, unique, and thus seemingly apart from others. Experience teaches us the hard way that fulfilling the greatest possibilities for our existence, our being, comes with harmonizing these two apparently disparate aspects of our being.<br /><br />Agape,<br />Chuckkarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-11859715878804514532014-01-27T21:47:42.990-08:002014-01-27T21:47:42.990-08:00Karina says:
August 15, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Nice Fre...Karina says:<br />August 15, 2013 at 11:08 pm<br /><br />Nice Fred,<br /><br />I like how you saw more into the bike ride analogy and how the Lord meets us at our own speed and pace. Great insight here too: “I suppose because life is so full of questions which are often baffling and the challenge of everyday to keep the recognition of God’s love still constant no matter what, many people tied in knots are unable to see the Way. Still, God is there for us.” Right on.karinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-73515607557009545272014-01-27T21:46:39.176-08:002014-01-27T21:46:39.176-08:00Fred says:
August 15, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Karina,
Wo...Fred says:<br />August 15, 2013 at 7:57 pm<br /><br />Karina,<br /><br />Wonderful words of wisdom. It is fitting how a person can reflect spiritually to all three aspects of the journey which was conveyed by your children and you on your bike ride. Sometimes I get in a hurry and want the journey to move quicker and I don’t understand why it seems God lags behind, but nevertheless He is always there and has his own pace. Other times, I feel caught up in the middle and can’t seem to make much progress and find myself clinging to others for answers rather than seeking God who I know has not left me but beckons me to keep moving forward. And yet still, I find myself bringing up the rear and seeing the distance so far ahead but recognizing there is a rest in this and the burdens can be given over to take up Christ’s yoke rather than struggling needlessly.<br /><br />I suppose because life is so full of questions which are often baffling and the challenge of everyday to keep the recognition of God’s love still constant no matter what, many people tied in knots are unable to see the Way. Still, God is there for us. We may be on the fast bike, the small bike with fast wheels but still struggling, or bringing up the rear – in all of these and many other myriad speeds of life God is still on a constant pace with us no matter where we are in our lives.<br /><br />And, despite the challenges along the way, He can change things for our good along the ride.<br /><br />Peace<br />Fredkarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-51482691571665972322014-01-27T21:44:31.920-08:002014-01-27T21:44:31.920-08:00Karina says:
August 9, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Thank you...Karina says:<br />August 9, 2013 at 10:52 pm<br /><br />Thank you, Steve, and I entirely agree with you.<br /><br />Just as you’ve noted the aid of an external authority for children, it’s also true that one is helpful for those who are early in their spiritual path. I didn’t take the time to explore this dynamic in the post, but will at least make a passing nod to it here. As we grow, may we find that trust you’ve pointed to.<br /><br />Shalom,<br />Karinakarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-62075397704436372932014-01-27T21:43:54.306-08:002014-01-27T21:43:54.306-08:00Steve Schrader says:
August 9, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Hi...Steve Schrader says:<br />August 9, 2013 at 8:34 pm<br /><br />Hi Karina,<br />I enjoyed your post, but then I always enjoy your writing. It’s great that you could bring a “real life drama” to the discussion. It was very timely.<br />I think children really require some external authority in their lives. They would be lost without it. But later, some adults seem to have a bit of trouble developing their own internal authority.<br /><br />I suppose it doesn’t say much for our self-esteem that we are constantly seeking approval or punishment from an all- powerful authority figure. It seems to me that we need to develop enough trust in ourselves to make good choices. Of course, much of that is trial and error, but maybe that’s what wisdom is all about!<br /><br />Peace.<br />Stevekarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-53018704296554264722014-01-27T21:43:02.366-08:002014-01-27T21:43:02.366-08:00Karina says:
August 8, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Amen to se...Karina says:<br />August 8, 2013 at 9:30 pm<br /><br />Amen to seeing the true freedom, David M, and to how much the Lord is sharing with us if we’re willing to see. Blessings.karinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2475726867404602523.post-91368525287219449292014-01-27T21:42:29.094-08:002014-01-27T21:42:29.094-08:00The following are comments to the above blog post ...The following are comments to the above blog post to ChristianMystics.com. As the site may not remain, they are now archived here one-by-one.<br /><br />David Muriel says:<br />August 8, 2013 at 7:15 pm<br /><br />Hi Karina,<br /><br />Thank you for sharing your experience. It’s great that you can find such deep spiritual truth in a common everyday situation that many parents would just be aggravated by. It goes to show that if we just open our eyes to see, there is so much the Lord is willing to share with us in every moment.<br /><br />The way you expressed this concept through the scriptures really brings it to life, especially at the beginning with the references to the teachers of Jesus’s day. I only hope that more people will come to understand the true freedom that we have in Christ, its all there, laid out in the scriptures, its just a matter of what you “want” to see. I guess, like you wrote, “we punish ourselves”, so perhaps that’s why many people focus on scriptures of condemnation instead of those of Christ’s love and liberty.<br /><br />P.S. I like that you wrote this 10 days ago, very intuitive : )karinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865688491756284133noreply@blogger.com